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So sorry to hear about this - it's happened to one of my dogs in the park too (the other one is a very small fast jack russell and gets out of the way!). I had a set-to with the owner of a malamute the other day. She was standing gassing with a friend at the far end of a football pitch while her dog aggressively charged my dogs. I er - attracted her attention - I can yell quite loudly if I need to! Her answer, all too typical of these sorts of idiots, was that "he's just a puppy". This dog was absolutely not engaging in puppy play, and was completely out of control. I agree with Stewart that it isn't the dogs, but some unfortunate breeds attract idiot owners. My Norfolk terrier [ EDITED THIS POST To tell you I've uploaded him now as a pic. As you can see, v. vicious!] was also attacked by three off the lead Staffies in the summer, and the owner/moron in charge also said 'but they're only puppies'. Once he had pulled them off my dog, he put them on choke leads and proceeded to slap them about the face. And he would probably describe himself as a dog lover. My dog had a bite on his back and has become nervous with other dogs. I just don't know what you can do about it. I always phone the dog warden and describe both the dog and the owner. You're probably thinking that I live in some rough area - let me tell you this is beautiful Princes Park in genteel Eastbourne. The thugs just seem to be taking over. Sigh. Time to go and finish up one of the Christmas bottles! Happy New Year and many happy dog walks to all. Helen
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I can't believe some of these owners, well, sadly i can! I know that Bud would be an attacker off klead and without his muzzle on but that is because for his 7 years or so he has been trained to chase and attack small furry things. we are still struggling to cope with this as he is very strong when he sights a small dog. YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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Hi,
I am afraid that some dogs are more prone to attacking than others. A lot depends on what their bloodlines are. Alaskan malumutes are closely related to wolves and have a strong hunting and pack instinct. I used to bred dogs and we got rid of anything with a dodgy temperament, we had them neutered and found them an experienced home where possible.
I agree that is mostly the owners who make the dogs like they are but some breeds are worse than others and should not be sold to inexperienced owners. If you have a large dog with a hunting background you are going to get throw backs however careful you are in your breeding. Put this together with a stupid owner and you get trouble. It is not the dogs fault but people and other animals have to be protected from them. The dangerous dog act should go further and the fines should be bigger. In some states of America you cannot keep certain breeds of dogs and if your dog attacks you are fined and can go to prison. It should be more like that here.
Lets hope Truly gets justice and the owners of the dog who attacked her get fined.
Jayne
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I think Stewart you may have misunderstood and feel the quote has been taken slightly out of context as I did say that I am nervous of dogs, particularly strange larger dogs because because they are an unknown entity. I do say that some owners do not fully understand the consequences of their actions minor that they may be and if treated incorrectly. Its not the dogs fault its only their natural instincts but if they arent properly handled then it can get out of hand which I believe is what you are saying. I do agree that it is very sad that at teh end of the day if something does happen its the dog thats destroyed and the owner can just go out and get another dog.  From my perspective which is that I am 5ft 3 so it doesnt take much of a breed of dog to seem quite big to me. However I think its a bit rash to label me ignorant as I list preferable small dogs which are easier for people to control. Particularly now with having RA I dont want a dog jumping on me even if it is friendly as any impact hurts. Some of these breeds are bred specifically as guard dogs for whatever traits they have. Some people buy dogs as an accessory and they end up in the Dogs Home, you can see Battersea dogs home is full of staffs. And the terrible thing is some of these animals are badly neglected without any recourse and that is the tragedy. I totally agree with Jayne G and most of the posts here with respect of irresponsible owners. Perhaps dogs should be matched to owners eg if the owner is physcological and physcially able to cope with the breed of dog as well. I think they may do that at the animal shelters and it should be minimium requirements for animal ownership. I think with the dangerous dog act with certain breeds that are banned people are importing them from Ireland and theres been programmes about the horrendous breeding kennels who dont care for the animals, giving a bad name for those who are above board and love their animals. Its just so sad  and I do feel sorry for the sheep!
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Jayne G wrote:Hi,
I am afraid that some dogs are more prone to attacking than others. A lot depends on what their bloodlines are. Alaskan malumutes are closely related to wolves and have a strong hunting and pack instinct. I used to bred dogs and we got rid of anything with a dodgy temperament, we had them neutered and found them an experienced home where possible. As I said a dog is a dog! The basic psychology of a dog is that the pack must run smoothly! If the pack leader i.e. the owner is unable to fulfil that role then a dog will by instinct take over! This is what leads to the problems mentioned earlier! Jayne, you say, some dogs are more prone to attacking than others. That's got nothing to do with breed characteristics. The only difference is that the damage caused by a Malamute attacking is obviously greater than a dachshund! I have dealt with a great many Pitbulls and found most of them to be a lot calmer than many tiny terriers! I have an Australian Cattle Dog whose great sire was a dingo. There can be nothing closer to a wild dog and yet he has never even growled at a person while I've been around. It is all about control. He is never let off the lead where there is the remotest possibility of encountering another dog. However, he will walk quite happily on the lead alongside another dog. I was out with my dog one evening walking up a hill when somebody opened the front door of a house on the other side of the road. A small bitch Patterdale came out of the house, ran down the drive, across a wide road and attacked Ned. He bit it on the head and flicked it up in the air and it crawled away whimpering. The owner came running down the drive and did actually apologise! He was lucky the poor thing wasn't actually run over! Hence, why I say, control! Stewart. A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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MrsWoman wrote:
From my perspective which is that I am 5ft 3 so it doesnt take much of a breed of dog to seem quite big to me. However I think its a bit rash to label me ignorant as I list preferable small dogs which are easier for people to control.
I was not being rude, I was trying to say that you probably do not understand how dogs react to situations. In fact there are many more attacks by smaller dogs than large ones. And that's caused by the fact that people treat these smaller dogs like children instead of dogs and that leads to problems! You look at any cute little furry dog, they don't see themselves as lapdogs. Inside, they think they're WOLVES and if you treat them like children they become neurotic! I agree with everything you say about irresponsible owners! Stewart. A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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I agree with what Stewart is saying - i do think its the irresponsible owners we need to be most wary of, especially the ones with dodgy temperaments...... Dog owners have a duty to establish themselves as the "pack leader" and if they do not i'm sure this is where problems occur. Sometimes this may be from the owners ignorance, sometimes just plain lazy or irresponsible.... no excuse really - im in favour of a licence or ways of ensuring more responsibility amongst dog owners... Recently, there have been some really worrying reports where in some areas dogs are now seen as gang members weapons of choice as an alternative to knives. I feel so sorry for these dogs - they do not choose to be used in this way and the thugs who do so should receive much stronger punishments, fines and prison sentences.
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RedDog wrote:
The only difference is that the damage caused by a Malamute attacking is obviously greater than a dachshund!
I think we are in agreement....
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MrsWoman wrote:RedDog wrote:
The only difference is that the damage caused by a Malamute attacking is obviously greater than a dachshund!
I think we are in agreement.... And if a baby is attacked by a Dachshund then it can be fatal! .......which has happened! I'm glad we're in agreement! A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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RedDog wrote:
I have an Australian Cattle Dog whose great sire was a dingo. There can be nothing closer to a wild dog and yet he has never even growled at a person while I've been around. It is all about control. He is never let off the lead where there is the remotest possibility of encountering another dog. However, he will walk quite happily on the lead alongside another dog.
Stewart.
I confess I was slightly apprehensive about meeting Stewart's Ned earlier this year, but he turned out to be the most obedient dog I've ever met! He was also very affectionate and didn't growl or bark at me once which was surprising as he didn't know me. It was obvious Ned loved his master and vice versa! Carol
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Sorry to hear this, I hope your dog is fully recovered now. It is good the dogs owner is willing to pay. I hope she learns from this!!!
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My uncle and aunt have one of these dogs, they live in Australia and adore him! My last dog before Bud was a cross between a miniature poodle and a long haired chihuaha and she was the nastiest cutest looking thing you can imagine! I wouldn't have trusted her with a barge pole! Sam was a perfect labrador cross-not a nasty bone in him. Aaprt from when he found some abandoned mackerel in a field and rolled in it---- oh my.......... YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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oh i am glad you are both ok monty thats awfull to go through all that. take care love Txxx
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Poor love, what a terrible fright!
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Oh my goodness, what have I started Glad to report that there are no after effects with Trudy. We still enjoy our walks in the park where the dog-walkers are a very supportive and caring group. I have had TS for 14 months and nothing like this has happened before. Because I walk with two sticks, I do not have her on a lead. She is a small Jack Russell and seems to know which dogs like her and which ones don't. She gives a body-swerve to those she has any doubts about. The thing to remember is that she was ignoring this dog - it took a dive at her, pulling the little boy over and I was hardly able to stand up on the ice to defend her. I had never seen the dog before and no-one has seen it since. We have our own system of policing unruly dog-owners and they do not usually turn up again  Well, would you if faced with hoards of angry dog owners ? I really don't know where else I could take her to exercise her. My garden isn't big enough and that's not fair to the dog. She needs to do 'terrier' things, like following scents and playing with other dogs. I can't walk on difficult surfaces, so the tarmac paths of the park are ideal. I would also miss the companionship of the other dog owners. Thanks for all your kindness and sympathy. TS is back to her usual cheekyness and the scars are healing. It will take a while for the fur to grow on her back and her neck, but she wears her scars well !! Dogs are dogs and they need a pack leader. I'M THE PACK LEADER IN OUR HOUSE! Warmest wishes, Ann "I cannot do everything. I accept that. Not being able to do everything is no excuse for doing nothing." ~ Helen Keller
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monty wrote:
Dogs are dogs and they need a pack leader. I'M THE PACK LEADER IN OUR HOUSE!
Good for you girl!  Give the little one a pat from me and Ned! A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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I'm the pack leader in our house too- the thing Bud still has to learn is not to barge through a door before me. I can take his food from him mid meal amd stick my hand in his bowl while he's eating- a bit nerve wracking first time you try with a brand new 7 year old dog! YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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JulieM wrote:I'm the pack leader in our house too- the thing Bud still has to learn is not to barge through a door before me. Well Julie, it sounds like when it comes to going through doors then Bud is pack leader!  However I'm sure you'll sort it out. Make sure he's calm before you open the door. He's a good looking dog! A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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Thanks Stewart-yes he is learning now that i go through first and if he slips through I call him back behind me. YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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monty wrote: I feel a bit sorry for them, coming just at Christmas, but I did say that I wouldn't report it to the police.
Ann Hi Ann,
I can't believe that you have let these foolish dog-owners get away with their irresponsible behaviour towards pet control. In all honesty, no-one should get away with their dog attacking other dogs at will. Now that that dog has the free reign to bit other dogs, how long will it be before it bites a baby in a pram? This type of behaviour from normally placid dogs must be stopped and stopped now.Bob
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